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'''HOB OR/A NOB'''. AKA and see "[[Campbells are Coming (1) (The)]]," "[[Burnt Old Man (1)]]," "[[Old Man (1) (The)]]," "[[Seanduine (An)]]" (The Old Man), "[[Robi Down]]/[[Robi Donn]]." English, Scottish, American; Country Dance Tune (6/8 time). G Major. Standard tuning (fiddle). AABB. To hob-nob with someone is to associate with them, or to keep their company. The term derived from the old term hab-nab, used as a call in drinking; supposedly derived from the Anglo-Saxon habban, "to have," and nabban (for ne habban), "not to have." The ritual at hobnobbing is variously described as that of clinking cups together before drinking to each other (Hawkwood, 1909), or to give and take of drinks. An 1811 source gives that it was common to inquire "Will you Hob or Nob with me?" If the party so questioned responded "Nob" they were deemed to have agreed to have a drink of wine with the questioner, and had to choose red or white wine. It was also at one time thought that the origin of the term derived from Elizabethan times when great chimneys were fashionable. On each corner of the hearth or grate was a small projection called the hob, on which was customarily set items, such as a pipe. In winter beer was warmed on the hob, and cold beer set on the table, said to have been called a nob. Thus to ask "will you hob or nob with me" was to invite one to partake of either warm or cold beer.  
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An American, Daniel Burnap, included it in several of his chime clocks, which he manufactured in the late 18th century at East Windsor, Connecticut.  The melody under the "Hob" title is also contained in Timothy Swan's Suffield, Connecticut, MS of 1777, and indeed, it appears in a number of American music manuscripts, such as that of Henry Livingston, Jr.  Livingston purchased the estate of Locust Grove, Poughkeepsie, New York, in 1771 at the age of 23. In 1775 he was a Major in the 3rd New York Regiment, which participated in Montgomery's invasion of Canada in a failed attempt to wrest Québec from British control. An important land-owner in the Hudson Valley, and a member of the powerful Livingston family, Henry was also a surveyor and real estate speculator, an illustrator and map-maker, and a Justice of the Peace for Dutchess County. He was also a poet and musician, and presumably a dancer, as he was elected a Manager for the New York Assembly's dancing season of 1774-1775, along with his 3rd cousin, John Jay, later U.S. Chief Justice of Governor of New York. A related air, which Bayard (1981) says is "doubtless a descendant of the original melody," is "[[Robi Down]]/[[Robi Donn]]." When played in duple time several writers have noticed similarities with "[[Miss McLeod's Reel (1)]]" and even "[[White Cockade (The)]]." Howe (c. 1867) printed dance instructions with the melody, which he placed in his section of Contra Dances.
An American, Daniel Burnap, included it in several of his chime clocks, which he manufactured in the late 18th century at East Windsor, Connecticut.  The melody under the "Hob" title is also contained in Timothy Swan's Suffield, Connecticut, MS of 1777, and indeed, it appears in a number of American music manuscripts, such as that of Henry Livingston, Jr.  Livingston purchased the estate of Locust Grove, Poughkeepsie, New York, in 1771 at the age of 23. In 1775 he was a Major in the 3rd New York Regiment, which participated in Montgomery's invasion of Canada in a failed attempt to wrest Québec from British control. An important land-owner in the Hudson Valley and a member of the powerful Livingston family, Henry was also a surveyor and real estate speculator, an illustrator and map-maker, and a Justice of the Peace for Dutchess County. He was also a poet and musician, and presumably a dancer, as he was elected a Manager for the New York Assembly's dancing season of 1774–1775, along with his 3rd cousin, John Jay, later U.S. Chief Justice of Governor of New York. "Hob or Knob, or, The Campbells are Coming" was entered into the 1859 music copybook of American musician M.E. Eames (p. 70). A related air, which Bayard (1981) says is "doubtless a descendant of the original melody," is "[[Robi Down]]/[[Robi Donn]]." When played in duple time several writers have noticed similarities with "[[Miss McLeod's Reel (1)]]" and even "[[White Cockade (The)]]." Howe (c. 1867) printed dance instructions with the melody, which he placed in his section of Contra Dances.
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|f_printed_sources=Aird ('''Selection of Scotch, English, Irish and Foreign Airs, vol. 1'''), 1778; No. 21.
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Hopkins ('''American Veteran Fifer'''), 1927; No. 58.
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Ford ('''Traditional Music of America'''), 1940; p. 110.
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Gow ('''Complete Repository, Part 1'''), 1784; p. 15.
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Graham ('''Popular Songs of Scotland'''), 1908; p. 169.
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'''Harding's Original Collection''', 1928, and '''Harding Collection''', 1915; No. 186.
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'''Harding's All Round Collection''', 1905; No. 189.
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Howe ('''School for the Violin'''), 1851; p. 35.
''Printed sources'': Aird ('''Selections of Scotch, English, Irish and Foreign Airs'''), vol. 1, 1778; No. 21. '''American Veteran Fifer''', 1927; No. 58. Ford ('''Traditional Music in America'''), 1940; p. 110. Gow ('''Complete Respository'''), vol. 1, 1784; p. 15. Graham, 1908; p. 169. '''Harding's Original Collection''', 1928, and Harding Collection, 1915; No. 186. '''Harding's All-Round Collection''', 1905; No. 189. Howe ('''School for the Violin'''), 1851; p. 35. Howe ('''Complete Preceptor for the Accordeon'''), 1843; p. 34. Howe ('''Diamond School for the Violin'''), 1861; p. 41 and pp. 60-61 (as part 2 of Caledonian Quadrilles). Howe ('''1000 Jigs and Reels'''), c. 1867; pg. 75. Jarman, 1951; p. 63. Johnson ('''A Further Collection of Dances, Marches, Minuetts and Duetts of the Latter 18th Century'''), 1998; p. 1. Kerr ('''Merry Melodies'''), vol. 1; p. 32. Johnson ('''Scots Musical Museum'''), vol. 2, 1788; No. 299. O'Malley, 1919; p. 11. Oswald, ('''Caledonian Pocked Companion'''), vol. 2, 1780?; p. 24. Robbins, 1933; No. 32. Seattle ('''Great Northern/William Vickers'''), 1987, Part 3; No. 443. Smith ('''Scottish Minstrel'''), vol. 1, 1820; pg. 32. Sweet ('''Fifer's Delight'''), 1964; p. 37. Thompson ('''Compleat Collection of 200 Favourite Country Dances, vol. 1'''), 1757; No. 171. '''White's Excelsior Collection''', 1907; p. 74.
Howe ('''Complete Preceptor for the Accordeon'''), 1843; p. 34.
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Howe ('''Diamond School for the Violin'''), 1861; p. 41 and pp. 60–61 (as part 2 of Caledonian Quadrilles).
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Howe ('''1000 Jigs and Reels'''), c. 1867; p. 75.
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Jarman and Hansen ('''Old Time Dance Tunes'''), 1951; p. 63.
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Johnson ('''Kitchen Musician No. 16: A Further Collection of Dances, Marches, Minuetts and Duetts of the Later 18th Century'''), 1998; p. 1.
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Kerr ('''Merry Melodies, vol. 1'''), c. 1880; p. 32.
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Johnson ('''Scots Musical Museum, vol. 2'''), 1788; No. 299.
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O'Malley & Atwood ('''Seventy Good Old Dances'''), 1919; p. 11.
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Oswald ('''Caledonian Pocket Companion, vol. 2'''), 1780?; p. 24.
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Robbins ('''Collection of 200 Jigs, Reels, and Country Dances'''), 1933; No. 32.
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Seattle/Vickers ('''Great Northern Tune Book, part 3'''), 1987; No. 443.
Smith ('''Scottish Minstrel, vol. 1'''), 1820; p. 32.
Sweet ('''Fifer's Delight'''), 1964; p. 37.
Thompson ('''Compleat Collection of 200 Favourite Country Dances, vol. 1'''), 1757; No. 171.
'''White's Excelsior Collection''', 1907; p. 74.
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HOB OR/A NOB. AKA and see "Campbells are Coming (1) (The)," "Burnt Old Man (1)," "Old Man (1) (The)," "Seanduine (An)" (The Old Man), "Robi Down/Robi Donn." English, Scottish, American; Country Dance Tune (6/8 time). G Major. Standard tuning (fiddle). AABB. To hob-nob with someone is to associate with them, or to keep their company. The term derived from the old term hab-nab, used as a call in drinking; supposedly derived from the Anglo-Saxon habban, "to have," and nabban (for ne habban), "not to have." The ritual at hobnobbing is variously described as that of clinking cups together before drinking to each other (Hawkwood, 1909) or to give and take of drinks. An 1811 source gives that it was common to inquire "Will you Hob or Nob with me?" If the party so questioned responded "Nob" they were deemed to have agreed to have a drink of wine with the questioner and had to choose red or white wine. It was also at one time thought that the origin of the term derived from Elizabethan times when great chimneys were fashionable. On each corner of the hearth or grate was a small projection called the hob, on which was customarily set items, such as a pipe. In winter beer was warmed on the hob, and cold beer set on the table, said to have been called a nob. Thus to ask "will you hob or nob with me" was to invite one to partake of either warm or cold beer.

The melody is recognizable to modern ears as the Scots air "Campbells are Coming (1) (The)." It first appears (as "Hob or Nob") in country dance collections in England, including Walsh's Caledonian Country Dances (4th book, c. 1745) and Johnson's Collection of 200 Favourite Country Dances (1748). A few years later the "Campbell" title appeared in print in Oswald's Caledonian Pocket Companion, followed soon after by a printing in Bremner's Scots Reels (c. 1757). Gratten Flood (1906), in typical form, claims the melody has an Irish provenance, and says that it was a Jacobite era song (early 18th century) annexed by the Scots and used as the vehicle for the song "The Campbells are Coming." Despite this assertion words to "The Campbell's are Coming" do not appear in print until Johnson's Scots Musical Museum, vol. iii (1790). Frank Kidson says that one unnamed account maintains that the melody was used for a song, composed on and at the period of Mary Queen of Scots' imprisonment in Loch Leven Castle, although what this song might have been is apparently lost. Kidson also believes it likely that the tune originated in the 1715 Jacobite rebellion as a gathering tune for Clan Campbell.

An American, Daniel Burnap, included it in several of his chime clocks, which he manufactured in the late 18th century at East Windsor, Connecticut. The melody under the "Hob" title is also contained in Timothy Swan's Suffield, Connecticut, MS of 1777, and indeed, it appears in a number of American music manuscripts, such as that of Henry Livingston, Jr. Livingston purchased the estate of Locust Grove, Poughkeepsie, New York, in 1771 at the age of 23. In 1775 he was a Major in the 3rd New York Regiment, which participated in Montgomery's invasion of Canada in a failed attempt to wrest Québec from British control. An important land-owner in the Hudson Valley and a member of the powerful Livingston family, Henry was also a surveyor and real estate speculator, an illustrator and map-maker, and a Justice of the Peace for Dutchess County. He was also a poet and musician, and presumably a dancer, as he was elected a Manager for the New York Assembly's dancing season of 1774–1775, along with his 3rd cousin, John Jay, later U.S. Chief Justice of Governor of New York. "Hob or Knob, or, The Campbells are Coming" was entered into the 1859 music copybook of American musician M.E. Eames (p. 70). A related air, which Bayard (1981) says is "doubtless a descendant of the original melody," is "Robi Down/Robi Donn." When played in duple time several writers have noticed similarities with "Miss McLeod's Reel (1)" and even "White Cockade (The)." Howe (c. 1867) printed dance instructions with the melody, which he placed in his section of Contra Dances.


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Printed sources : - Aird (Selection of Scotch, English, Irish and Foreign Airs, vol. 1), 1778; No. 21. Hopkins (American Veteran Fifer), 1927; No. 58. Ford (Traditional Music of America), 1940; p. 110. Gow (Complete Repository, Part 1), 1784; p. 15. Graham (Popular Songs of Scotland), 1908; p. 169. Harding's Original Collection, 1928, and Harding Collection, 1915; No. 186. Harding's All Round Collection, 1905; No. 189. Howe (School for the Violin), 1851; p. 35. Howe (Complete Preceptor for the Accordeon), 1843; p. 34. Howe (Diamond School for the Violin), 1861; p. 41 and pp. 60–61 (as part 2 of Caledonian Quadrilles). Howe (1000 Jigs and Reels), c. 1867; p. 75. Jarman and Hansen (Old Time Dance Tunes), 1951; p. 63. Johnson (Kitchen Musician No. 16: A Further Collection of Dances, Marches, Minuetts and Duetts of the Later 18th Century), 1998; p. 1. Kerr (Merry Melodies, vol. 1), c. 1880; p. 32. Johnson (Scots Musical Museum, vol. 2), 1788; No. 299. O'Malley & Atwood (Seventy Good Old Dances), 1919; p. 11. Oswald (Caledonian Pocket Companion, vol. 2), 1780?; p. 24. Robbins (Collection of 200 Jigs, Reels, and Country Dances), 1933; No. 32. Seattle/Vickers (Great Northern Tune Book, part 3), 1987; No. 443. Smith (Scottish Minstrel, vol. 1), 1820; p. 32. Sweet (Fifer's Delight), 1964; p. 37. Thompson (Compleat Collection of 200 Favourite Country Dances, vol. 1), 1757; No. 171. White's Excelsior Collection, 1907; p. 74.






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