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Hi Andrew, is there a chance of finishing my inclusion of Josie-O? I keep looking to see whether I can pass the link onto the other students who were in my tutor group with Craig Judelman, but it keeps saying Pending Changes and I can't send them a relevant link.

Cheers, Jan

Hi Andrew, here's the link to a video of Craig Judelman Josie-O so that you can see the bow strokes he uses....I hope I've interpreted them properly in my transcription of Josie-O that I uploaded. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zFl5oF0DeNvf4OJ1OHoX3hZtXnZ3g_og/view?usp=sharing

Best wishes, Jan

Hi Andrew, Yes Craig Judelman says I can share the video of him playing Double File...here's the link https://drive.google.com/file/d/13JSQl9qWx8320PJGGAVy3J_5Y0lo0jPO/view?usp=sharing

I've done Josie-O as well but it doesn't appear yet...is there a problem with my abc again? Thanks, Jan

Hi Andrew, Craig Judelman was teaching us about circular bowing and I think that's how he's doing the up up bows and down down bows.....I've got the videos of him showing us the tunes, if you'd like to see them? I'll check with him first if I can share them with you. CHeers, Jan

I believe the composer of The Blacksmith has past away.

Hi Andrew,

I’ve been to a fiddle camp and learned some new tunes from Craig Judelman…’Double File’ from Gaither Carlton and ‘John Riley the Shepherd’ from Art Stamper.

I’ve tried to transcribe the tunes as Craig taught them from his videos, but I’ve had problems when trying to copy and paste my abc texts.

Double File still shows just the original transcription and not my new alternative version, and John Riley the Shepherd has some random notes sequences appearing before the tune proper.

How can I fix these things?

Thanks, and Best wishes, Jan

Jan Howard

Hi there -- is is possible to get tune search results and abc in json format via an API? I had a look a the api page, and am absolutely stumped as to how to go about it.

thanks, -Dave Lewicki

I just chatted with him and taught him abc, perhaps he'll post his own tunes now.

Alan Gave permission for 53 cards.

got it, I'm so used to thinking in abc I didn't realize you meant the title on the page.

Okay I thought you told me to use brackets ?

Thank you I wondered about that, I tried to replace The Blacksmith with a different tune because I realized the composer is still living. I can't seem to find the recording that I'd heard Bill Quern playing it, but had noted he credited T.Hobart Smith with it, I just foundout it is Bill Smith a living banjo player who wrote it.

I did as you suggested, but it looks odd?

Good Question. Knowing Alan a bit I'm pretty sure he'd be delighted to have others play his tunes. He did let someone else post it on FB, but it is always polite to ask 1st. So I should check with him.

I uploaded some more tunes, and used the[1] in a few, but don't know how to add them to a pre-existing page?

I noticed that my friend Mimi Boothby uploaded Culcuttie hornpipe after I had already done so, duplicating my page but with less accurate information. So the duplicate version needs to be deleted, and I don't know how to do that. I just added some more information to my version of the tune page; mine has both title words capitalized whereas she didn't capitalize "hornpipe."

Thanks Andrew! I spent a bit of time on the ABC sandbox yesterday I think I get it generally but some of the code is still a mystery to me - I'll look into it more thanks again!

Hi I'm new to this site and am wondering if you can answer a question I have about creating and submitting scores. For example I notice that Lonesome Fiddle Blues only has one line which seems incomplete - what do I have to do to finish it? Thanks Pete

P.S. I didn't put up the cross-tuned tunes or the solo version of Home Sweet Home at the end of the Adam/MelBay book, because I'm not good enough with abc's to deal with drones, left hand pizzicati, and other such complexities!

Actually what I have is the 1977 Mel Bay reprint, under the title of "Old Time Fiddle Solos." Apparently 6 tunes at the beginning of the Adam book were omitted from this reprint, and the tunes aren't numbered, which is why I didn't put in page or tune numbers. And I suspect that the chords in the Mel Bay book weren't in the original. It is still available, about $10 online.

Very interesting question about Dailey’s/Daley’s/Daly’s Reel! It is the same tune that Joe Pancerzewski recorded; the “Fiddling Moods” LP was issued in 1980. The Joe Greene recording is from 1969. Over the years the tune has become a standard among Western contest fiddlers and others; it’s hard to say which record was most influential locally: Joe G., Joe P., or Kenny Baker’s 1979 LP.

I have Joe Greene’s LP, and this is what the liner notes say: “Daley’s Reel and Money Musk are both Northern pieces. Daley’s Reel is a traditional Canadian tune, while Money Musk is played throughout New England and Canada and is derived from an English tune of the same name.” The liner notes were written by someone named Robert C. Fleder, who I don’t know anything about except that he also wrote the liner notes to the Stripling Brothers LP on County.

Other circumstantial evidence that it may be “traditional Canadian:”

I still have a copy of the description notes from the accumulated tapes that Phil and I recorded over the years, although the actual tapes are now at the State Historical Society of Missouri. Included is information for a tape labeled “Joe Pancerzewski Archive Tape [ca. 1973??]” where Joe plays Daley’s along with a bunch of Canadian and North Dakota tunes. Although it’s possible that he learned it from the Joe Greene LP (and Joe P. didn’t hesitate to learn tunes from any source, including several Kenny Baker tunes), the context seems to weigh against that – for an “archive tape” one would think that he would have chosen tunes that he had learned many years before, like most of the other tunes on that tape.

If you go to the Voyager website field recordings at https://www.voyagerrecords.com/nwffrmp3.htm , there’s a recording of a Senior division California fiddler named Alex Lieber playing Daley’s at Weiser, dated 1968. His version doesn’t sound much like Joe Greene’s: it’s much less “notey,” with better-defined phrasing than the bluegrass versions, so it does sound more “northern.” And Mr. Lieber didn’t get the tune from Joe Pancerzewski, because Joe P. didn’t get into the contest scene until 1970.

Another item listed in the Voyager tune archive is a jam session at the Astoria, Oregon fiddle contest in 1973 where Frank Ferrel is playing the tune – and at that time he was strictly into Canadian and Irish music. He could have learned it from Joe P. Hmmm, maybe you could e-mail Frank Ferrel and find out where he learned the tune!! His email is fferrel@aol.com .

One thing I did find out – the “Daly’s Reel” written by Joseph Daly and recorded by banjoist Fred Van Eps is a totally different tune, in spite of the occasional erroneous references I found online that called it the “original.”

I hope this is useful.

I just posted "The Celebrated Polka Dance" a.k.a. "Bohemian Polka." I don't have the "Plain Brown Tunebook," so I don't know if this is the same tune as the "Bohemian Polka" already up on TTA. On the one hand, the key and number of parts are different; on the other hand, the date of the London Illustrated Times publication of the tune and its subsequent popularity hint that it might be the same tune. I didn't put (2) on the alternate title - but I might have guessed wrong! If so, please fix! Thanks.

Oopsy, found another typo that I can't fix. The title of Blue Skirt Waltz is mis-spelled!

Ah, that's a good suggestion. Thank you!

I've found another possible computer glitch: https://tunearch.org/wiki/Mrs._James_McInnes'_Strathspey—Edinburgh

The first bar of the 4th line seems to be the problematic one. When I remove the < > symbols, it appears correctly. I've had similar problems with dotted rhythms before, but I've managed to solve them by changing the beaming. Do you know what the problem could be?