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I see - the "plus" symbol ( 002B) isn't going through. It's sometimes replaced by either a line return or a space.

Here's a shortened URL for it: https://tinyurl.com/3zybcsvs

Hmm I see the long URL go a bit broken. Here's the bit that should go after ".html?":

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Hi Andrew,

My reference is an old recording where the rhythm, although it's swung to some extent, is quite far away from the 𝅘𝅥 𝅘𝅥𝅮 pattern that's conveyed by 9/8. Often the two notes are hardly 'swung' at all. Perhaps I should have given a link where it can be heard: https://open.spotify.com/track/01YMnj0UVyK5gMTL9Tv9wc - or I could also give a youtube link if you like.

There are parallels between Hop Jigs and Hornpipes regarding the dotted rhythms, and Hornpipes are commonly written in 4/4 or 2/4. So I do think it makes sense to write it this way. Hop jigs are less common than normal Slip Jigs. I can give another example where using 3/4 made more sense than 9/8: a transcription of the Silver Slipper I put out here: https://thesession.org/tunes/8479#setting47663

Regarding playback software. Over-reliance on software is to be avoided IMO. Here I prefer to keep the score as-is, because I feel it's the best way of transcribing the music, even if the current version of the software can't play it correctly. Actually, my score (well, a slightyl adapted version of it) can be played in a more or less rhythmically acceptable fashion by at least one online tool. Here's a link, all you have to do is open it and press play.

https://michaeleskin.com/abctools/abctools.html?lzw=BoLgBAjAUAKuCyBLAxgCwIYFMA2YDCA9tpgLboB2A5AM5gASBADgLQBSiA5lAErjXaJGYAFadwjAE4ESmcugAmmMNQAumRlADKCFBhxgA4gQllyW8ICICMJoDuAV3IcwACgBEgFg3AGrvvAprvvAdrtevgEAvEF 3n7 rgCUYABmxsrSmAA0YABGdipg5AQ56NjY6QTxYCqoSgCOdugAbpgSYIzoiBLUAHTmYFYACtjoAJ6Y8gkEdk0qiDK0BOTllWASmMjG8oiOXQBaIOgZyMwqEhTUyBKCU3Ng8IWr2CTWaHPxiDjyAKRgAEwADF8AzMwfgAOIEAdigOz2B1WjEG5w4qByeDwYAAQgBNZgAOVRXw6PxcSJUjGoIAA9OSzph0FMGqsSCQ5p1jBxyQJkLJqJhqOSMoNmORkOT8T9yfEJOTFCMOrIYlAACI6NA03BGEwUMAwRaaAQcAj4DAkRiIK7OCAATgAbAAWeVK666LBq4ymMAAQXIowA6ogioN8AMhQHAMgEYAAkudqKgwOwONR0txMDhaAAyejGcgmxg8sBJ1YSRSjcPzSM4Cijc0WgCsVvl8HA-3JNqgABlwBBycCoABpcDusAkRAADwIUHe1BsGycPw61bAPygAG1eiB3QBdKDyJwAHzAmAHAC8vmAwABRBVgPdno9o0-IUZ7g9gY-ny-XgwvgBihjvO6gz6vheV7nreYAPiBgEnm IFnp h4-ju-4riAaKbgYf77ugL5OOgu5YS J4cEoe7bi ZQcCee54WAxFgGR-40jhYA0U 2GvnRpFOIeFFUSxTgcAAhAqHR4B0gkkeuQA&format=noten&ssp=10&pdf=incipits&pn=none&fp=yes&name=Michael_Colemans_Hop-Jig&play=1

It works because the author of this tool, Micheal Eskin, has put some work into integrating 'swing' instructions with MIDI output. It's pretty powerful I think. To get it to work in this case I had to get rid of the endings of the tied notes because that seems to be incompatible with the swung MIDI output.

About making the instruction to swing the music, I'm not sure how I can make it more prominent but I'm open to suggestions.

Finally, I really do apologise for the long delay in getting back to you on your comments. As you can see it's not so simple; and I thought it would be better to go into some detail in answering, and I've been putting off answering for some time. Sorry again!

Best,

Malcolm

PS Just for the record, here on tunearch.org, I haven't so far mentioned a related topic which is that of the downbeat in the Michael Gorman recording - I can't hear it like it supposed to be. I go into some detail about that in a discussion here: https://thesession.org/tunes/409#setting47908 - my score on thession.org is like the one here on tunearch.org but the downbeat is shifted - because that's the way I hear Michael Gorman play it! (I don't hear it that way when it's recorded in a similar style by Jimmy Power at roughly the same period: https://open.spotify.com/track/35CDwfp43HfevsbBE0dWi)

Hi Andrew, thanks, it's complete now...Cheers, Jan

Hi Andrew, I've done another version of Chris Haigh's Moonshine Kate from a field recording of Rachel Eddy, Adam Hurt, Beth Hartness and others at Clifftop on 31st July 2015....Chris Haigh himself has heard the recording and really liked it. Everytime I look for it on TTA it says Pending Changes....there's going to be an article about Moonshine Kate in the UK Friends of American Old-Time Music and Dance (FOAOTMAD) magazine Old-Time News alongside my article on abc notation and Traditional Tune Archive....

Best wishes, Jan

Hi Andrew, Chris Haigh has confirmed that he wrote the tune Moonshine Kate and published it in his book "Fiddling Around the World". I've amended the notes to reflect this fact now, so hopefully he'll get the proper credit for the tune. I think the edits are pending now.

I've also written an article for Old Time News here in the UK about abc notation and the Traditional Tune Archive website. When it gets published I'll send you a copy.

Thanks again for all your good works! Cheers, Jan

Was that Goldrush? Thanks....I've been told that the Moonshine Kate tune I put up here a while ago wasn't actually written by Fiddlin' John Carson at all...it comes from a book by Chris Haigh apparently. I'll check with Chris Haigh and amend my transcription accordingly. Thanks for all your good works! Cheers, Jan

Hi Andrew, I hope everything is alright with you...I'd posted up a transcription of Gold Rush but it doesn't get past the Pending Changes stage. Thanks, Jan

In the off chance you keep them (although I think they're just wrong), I did at least correct the barlines.

Hi Andrew, This page was just added https://tunearch.org/wiki/Michael_Coleman%27s_Hop_Jig However it is a duplicate and VERY incorrect transcription of https://tunearch.org/wiki/Promenade_(1)_(The)

I'd recommend it be deleted or at least merged. Is there an easy way to do that?

yeah the hole she leaves is immeasurable, but the wealth of what she left behind is here for all of us. thanks for all that you do.

Hi Andrew, just wanted you to know that Vivian Williams passed away last night from als. I was trying to figure how many contributions she made on here.

though it seems to have picked up some long slurs across the 4th and 6th rows of music.....i tdoesn't look like that in my abc editor

Thanks Andrew...I'm very pleased! And, I've realised what I've been doing wrong by inserting abc between the begin and end sections....I've been forgetting to add more begin and ends for the next person to add another transcription....I'll try to remember that. Cheers, Jan....and Seasons' Greetings

Hi Abdrew, I was trying to add another version of Chadwell's Station to the one that already exists, but I couldn't work out how to do the section begin and section end code...sorry.

That's OK, thanks....I realise you must be very busy! Cheers, Jan

Hi Andrew, is there a chance of finishing my inclusion of Josie-O? I keep looking to see whether I can pass the link onto the other students who were in my tutor group with Craig Judelman, but it keeps saying Pending Changes and I can't send them a relevant link.

Cheers, Jan

Hi Andrew, here's the link to a video of Craig Judelman Josie-O so that you can see the bow strokes he uses....I hope I've interpreted them properly in my transcription of Josie-O that I uploaded. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zFl5oF0DeNvf4OJ1OHoX3hZtXnZ3g_og/view?usp=sharing

Best wishes, Jan

Hi Andrew, Yes Craig Judelman says I can share the video of him playing Double File...here's the link https://drive.google.com/file/d/13JSQl9qWx8320PJGGAVy3J_5Y0lo0jPO/view?usp=sharing

I've done Josie-O as well but it doesn't appear yet...is there a problem with my abc again? Thanks, Jan

Hi Andrew, Craig Judelman was teaching us about circular bowing and I think that's how he's doing the up up bows and down down bows.....I've got the videos of him showing us the tunes, if you'd like to see them? I'll check with him first if I can share them with you. CHeers, Jan

I believe the composer of The Blacksmith has past away.

Hi Andrew,

I’ve been to a fiddle camp and learned some new tunes from Craig Judelman…’Double File’ from Gaither Carlton and ‘John Riley the Shepherd’ from Art Stamper.

I’ve tried to transcribe the tunes as Craig taught them from his videos, but I’ve had problems when trying to copy and paste my abc texts.

Double File still shows just the original transcription and not my new alternative version, and John Riley the Shepherd has some random notes sequences appearing before the tune proper.

How can I fix these things?

Thanks, and Best wishes, Jan

Jan Howard

Hi there -- is is possible to get tune search results and abc in json format via an API? I had a look a the api page, and am absolutely stumped as to how to go about it.

thanks, -Dave Lewicki

I just chatted with him and taught him abc, perhaps he'll post his own tunes now.

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